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well both Linda and Alan say they've

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seen flying sauces not only that but

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they've actually been abducted and taken

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on board these UFOs Linda can you just

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briefly describe to me what sort of

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people did you see on board the

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spacecraft

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they were very tall around about six six

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and they had navy blue coveralls on

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they were sort of dark skinned yellowy

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sort of gray skin slanted eyes and very

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black hair but that's not something that

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you can remember in your conscious

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memory no not at all it's only in your

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subconscious which is why we brought Joe

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keatonin who's a Hitler test now Joe I

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hope you're going to help them unlock

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their Memories by taking them back to a

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subconscious state can you now prepare

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Linda and Alan for hypnosis please for a

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close encounter of what happened to them

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would you both make yourself more

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comfortable

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try and rest your head but it won't go

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too far back

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you see if your head Falls forward your

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throat will be restricted

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now Don't Close Your Eyes well we will

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be joining Debbie and in fact we'll see

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more of those uh those two people later

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on in the program and perhaps reliving

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some of those moments in their

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subconscious should be very interesting

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indeed but for the moment that's a very

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Lively debate there in soccer

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hooliganism I suspect that's the subject

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we'll be coming back to before the end

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of this new series of central weekend

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I'm actually in another part of the

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studios you're in the building rather as

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you obviously know because we've been

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undergoing hypnosis here and uh we have

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two of our guests tonight Linda Jones

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and Alan Godfrey Alan actually hasn't

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gone under as such yet but Linda has and

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Joe keep you've been managing to take

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Linda back to one of the moments when

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she was able to go aboard or at least

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confront something which she couldn't

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explain now she thinks it was some kind

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of spacecraft some UFO that she can't

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explain how far did you actually get

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with her well we got her to a point of

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such extreme Terror you were in the

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people yes the heart was racing the

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breathing uh

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was accelerated she was looking at

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something that frightened her

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she couldn't really explain what it was

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first it was a ball coming out of the

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river then she said heads above the

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river

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and then she says come to the top of the

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tip we'll be and gradually

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she slipped

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weathered into a deeper or not that's

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when she started talking to us okay well

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Linda I know is still obviously a bit

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groggy at the moment she'd be talking to

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us later on in the program

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now Linda you were walking along the

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banks of the river mersey in Manchester

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in Didsbury where you live with two of

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your children yes and you saw what uh we

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were walking along the banks Picking

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Wildflowers uh we saw this object come

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over our heads it was an oval object

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pinky orange which landed

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down over a hill vertically

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we ran up to see what it was our first

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thought was it was an aircraft on fire

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we live quite near Manchester Airport it

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was big oh it was very big it was 60

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foot across

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hovering two foot off the ground uh we

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just stared at it we were transfixed the

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three of us were just watching this

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object and it just seemed to hover and

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there was complete silence no news at

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all and when you ran toward it what was

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happening on the ground

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that's my Marine back when you're

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running back yeah what happened yes when

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we're running away from the objects the

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grass seemed to move at the side of us

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and in front of us are sort of blowing

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about what you've got a sort of path for

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you as it were no no it was the grass

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was overgrown on the riverbank but it

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seemed to be blowing over

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and when you got home what happened well

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when we got home we saw my husband who

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then was on a a shift of 210 shift and I

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said what are you doing home because

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we'd gone out of the house at 7 30 in

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the evening and obviously he was home it

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was dark

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we didn't realize until 18 months later

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that was an hour missing out of our time

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oh she had a similar experience to

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Dorothy here yeah lost time yes and

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there was some effect on your skin

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wasn't there yes my eyes were burnt and

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scaly underneath my eyes no you can't

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account for that no

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attitude it wasn't it was evening wasn't

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it wasn't sunny I mean uh it was dusk it

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was nice an August evening so it

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certainly imagine you want to go to Sun

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Tan would you no no I don't think so um

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I hadn't been out that day now sometime

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later 18 months later just to move this

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on a bit you were persuaded to go and

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see a hypnotist and you and your

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daughter I gather both gave that

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hypnotist I'm almost identical

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version of what what had happened

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previously and and when he recounted it

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to the hip and it's under hypnosis yes

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what did you tell him

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uh under hypnosis I don't remember

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anything at all about the hypnosis only

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what I have seen on videotape and we'll

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stress this you've seen yourself back

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that's correct my only conscious memory

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of this object was seeing the object it

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seemed to disappear and appear and we

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ran away from it right oh we saw it

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actually following on the tail of a

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plane going into Manchester Airport as

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we were nearing our home

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but I don't remember anything about the

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hypnosis only what I have seen on

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videotape and I find it very hard to

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accept

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what I actually said under hypnosis

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well what was said was I ran down the

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hill or three of us ran down the hill we

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thought we were running home

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we went into this man in dark clothing

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tall dark eyes

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and then being on a table and have feel

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having feelings of ice put on our legs

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and lights shining our eyes and that's

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all I remember and there were six of

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them and they all look the same now I

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just can't accept this but

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that's what you said on the hypnosis

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right that's correct now I have to say

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well I imagine anyway that when you when

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you recount this story what happened to

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you under hypnosis to your Chums in

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Manchester you don't get an entirely

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sympathetic hearing I don't talk to them

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a lot about that

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on a November evening about 10 years ago

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Linda Jones took a young son and

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daughter for a walk along a Manchester

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Canal bank

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suddenly they saw a bright light in the

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sky

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it looked like it was going to hit us

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directly we dropped into the grass it

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landed vertically in a field

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over a hill we ran up the hill we

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thought we were going to see an aircraft

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in Flames or something but it was just

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this object's total silence not making

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any noise at all

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it was then shaped like a half moon

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really girder structure the

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undercarriage of it we stood there

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statuses it was hovering two foot off

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the ground

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it turned out that Linda lost track of

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about half an hour of time during the

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encounter At first she told no one years

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later under hypnosis she recalls an

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experience on board the craft but she

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doesn't like to recall it now I don't

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think I should remember

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I I think whoever blanked my mind out or

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if it was fear that blanked my mind out

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I should not remember it was a summer's

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evening we were walking along and I had

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this Wildflower book with me and I was

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guessing the children interested and

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asking them sort of playing little game

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really see see what what that one's

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called see if you can identify it you

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know that flower and then my daughter

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we looked up and we saw this sort of

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rugby ball shape which was just hurtling

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towards us at an angle

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we sort of crouched in the long grass

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quickly to avoid it because our first

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because me my life flashed in front of

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me when I saw this thing my daughter was

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absolutely terrified

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we then ran up the hill to see what was

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which was shaped like a crescent moon

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oh my God it was physical it was a

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physical object I felt like I could have

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really I just wanted to have a closer

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look probably curiosity

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and I just couldn't believe what I was

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seeing it was like a a bad dream like

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like a nightmare

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close to it I got as close as I can but

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it seemed to

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burn my face that the light was too

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bright mum

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what are you doing come back

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my life before that day and have never

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we didn't look back we just ran down the

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we ran as fast as we could

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terrified the three ran straight home

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an hour and a half could not be

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I came home from work

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and the house was empty

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shortly after my wife

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daughter and son arrived and they were

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they asked me what I want what what I

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thought they'd seen and I I took a wild

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guess and said a spaceship

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and they they replied have you seen it

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he had another Lorry over time stranger

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my wife's eyes but it was all red

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um like it had been scorched

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wasn't really very sunny in fact it was

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so it wasn't due to sunbathing or

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anything like that it was just very very

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weird there'll be no questions until I'm

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completely sure that you're perfectly

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and perfectly comfortable so I don't

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want you to think that there's any sort

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of a hurry Linda decided to see a

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hypnotist in the bid to discover what

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had happened during the last hour and a

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the regression or anything about the

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regression but Linda's session was

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recorded by the hypnotist the results

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shocked her

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what's happening

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I'm watching the lights

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is someone standing next to them in the

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field

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then Ward

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I'm floating

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[Music]

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I'm in a room

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all got black hair big

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[Music]

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they're wearing jumpsuits of some kind

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all in one

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what are they doing

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the legs feel so cold

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I see

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I mean I really can't be there it's so

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hard to to take on board that sort of

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thing I mean I'm just a very ordinary

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normal down-to-earth human being

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uh definitely wasn't into that sort of

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thing I didn't like anything about

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science fiction I've never been

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interested in that sort of thing at all

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so I mean the answer was why me why I

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was on that day Linda Jones believes she

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has met aliens one evening whilst had

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walking with her young son and daughter

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they saw a bright light that came

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towards them and hovered just above the

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ground but then followed an amazing

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experience when time seemed to stand

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still now Linda exactly what did you see

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that evening

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I saw a light that came over us I

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thought it was an aircraft on fire

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we ran up two embankments my daughter my

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son and myself

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while we stood at the top of the

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embankment to see 30 yards away from us

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this unusual object

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I did not know what it was at the time

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how big was it the object was around 60

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feet wide and it was hovering two foot

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off the ground and there was no noise at

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all so what did you think it was at that

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stage I really didn't know I didn't know

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what it was at all did it have a

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particular shape yes it had a rather

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unusual shape it was shaped rather like

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a boat

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it didn't land just Harvard it was a

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girder-like structure

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and it had a magnesium light on the top

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which seemed to be a part from the

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structure didn't seem attached there

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were no doors no windows anything I just

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couldn't make it out we just stood there

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um well actually

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we were just froze to the spot it was

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rather like when you have a bad dream

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you know and you sort of can't run you

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want to run away from something and you

340
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can't and that is exactly how we felt

341
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I felt myself drawn towards it I was

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walking towards it it was Curiosity on

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my part and my daughter said please come

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away from it mum she did sense danger I

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didn't now did you think it could be a

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UFO at the time or no I didn't

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because I

348
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I just wasn't into UFOs I didn't know

349
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anything about UFOs

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so you'd see this you you were scared

351
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um what happened then exactly

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my Consciousness my conscious memory of

353
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the event was that we saw the thing we

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stood there it went away before our eyes

355
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without us actually seeing it I don't

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remember the thing going away

357
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then we run away

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we ran down the embankments and on our

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way home that was my conscious memories

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of the event suddenly it was there you

361
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were looking at it yes and then the next

362
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thing you remember is that you're

363
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running away from it that's correct yeah

364
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so when you got home at that stage well

365
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we hadn't quite got home at that stage

366
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when I saw this object behind an

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aircraft

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to the left of me going into Manchester

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Airport

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and there is a lot of it I'm sure that

371
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there wasn't an airplane it was the

372
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first one was an airplane because there

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is a lot of air traffic going overhead

374
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it was following directly on its tail

375
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into the airport now when you got back

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home what did you do tell your husband

377
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about it yes yes I told my husband about

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it my son described it in his own words

379
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he was four-year-old and he said daddy

380
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take me back to see the crashed boat

381
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that was his description take me back to

382
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see the crashed boat got hold of his

383
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father's hand and his father said no hey

384
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you know what's wrong here and he said

385
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Linda what's wrong with your eyes my

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eyes were all burnt and scaly like I'd

387
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been in the sun could you feel that

388
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there was something wrong with with your

389
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eyes no

390
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um the funny thing was I felt so elated

391
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about the whole thing at the time when I

392
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came home my daughter didn't she she was

393
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absolutely terrified the sort of mixed

394
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feelings really about the whole thing

395
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now how did you know at that time that

396
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there was something wrong that there

397
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wasn't every you couldn't remember

398
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I just told my husband I didn't look at

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the time I didn't have a watch on or

400
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anything else my husband was home uh he

401
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was a shift worker and he was on the 210

402
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shift at the time and he was home and I

403
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said what are you doing home because I

404
00:18:04,730 --> 00:18:02,280
had gone out that's even at half past

405
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seven and we'd seen a friend to their

406
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destination and which only takes the

407
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walk that we usually take only takes 20

408
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minutes or less if you're walking fast

409
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but

410
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we were gone a number of hours so

411
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somehow you've lost an hour yeah it's an

412
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hour missing of my time but you couldn't

413
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remember what happened in that hour

414
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until later when you were hypnotized

415
00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:30,020
that's right I don't remember

416
00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:32,280
consciously what happened and what

417
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:34,919
happened under hypnosis what did you I

418
00:18:40,610 --> 00:18:37,919
have only seen videotapes after hypnosis

419
00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:40,620
I don't remember what happened under

420
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,500
hypnosis I have seen some videotapes of

421
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the hypnosis

422
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I was regressed uh apparently saw a man

423
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as I came down the bank

424
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I then had a floating sensation

425
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I was on board

426
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and I was undergoing some medical

427
00:19:03,049 --> 00:19:00,299
examination now you're on board what

428
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:03,059
what did aliens if they were there what

429
00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:12,470
around the skin

430
00:19:18,830 --> 00:19:15,660
dark suited what about this examination

431
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:18,840
what apparently I just had feelings of

432
00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:22,080
having ice put on my legs and every time

433
00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:24,360
I tried to see something and I'm talking

434
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:27,299
about what I've seen on videotapes I had

435
00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:29,220
lights shine in my eyes

436
00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:31,140
though was there any pain attached to

437
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:32,760
all this no

438
00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:36,240
but during the regression did you come

439
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:39,480
up with feelings of pain or

440
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um

441
00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:43,320
there were feelings of pain shown on the

442
00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:47,100
videotape of the aggression but I didn't

443
00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:48,780
have any feelings of pain when I came

444
00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:50,820
out of the regression

445
00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:53,220
Tim now there's an account from Lindo

446
00:19:58,490 --> 00:19:55,080
have you any questions at all for her

447
00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:58,500
yes you had some physical symptoms

448
00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:00,780
following this extraordinary experience

449
00:20:04,990 --> 00:20:03,000
Linda you said you had trouble with your

450
00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:05,000
eyes yes

451
00:20:11,529 --> 00:20:08,220
your skin was it just your face was

452
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:11,539
there any other face my face was

453
00:20:19,370 --> 00:20:16,799
and I developed a lump on my neck and

454
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:19,380
which is very unusual every time I go in

455
00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:21,660
hospital to have a sirenectomy it

456
00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:24,120
disappears yeah

457
00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:26,760
that's happened on two occasions

458
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:29,400
is there anything else which unusual

459
00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:31,140
which it was has happened to you

460
00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:33,000
physically since then there are a few

461
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,100
gynecological

462
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,200
said yes and what is the main problem

463
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:39,840
there well the main problem there was

464
00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:50,090
all my ex had gone disappeared I didn't

465
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,460
relate the story to him you know I he

466
00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:55,200
didn't know anything about it but you'd

467
00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:56,820
never had an illness or anything which

468
00:21:01,610 --> 00:20:59,220
could have explained that no no

469
00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:01,620
at all Tim any other questions there or

470
00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:03,720
do you feel you can you can make a

471
00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:05,700
diagnosis of what was going on I

472
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:07,380
certainly can't make a diagnosis of what

473
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:09,000
of what was going on I'm afraid it's

474
00:21:13,630 --> 00:21:10,380
it's certainly

475
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:13,640
typical of many of the more bizarre

476
00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:16,140
encounters that have been reported Now

477
00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:17,940
by hundreds of people and I don't

478
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:19,320
pretend to know

479
00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:21,780
the answer to it I'm afraid what I am

480
00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:22,860
satisfied

481
00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:26,520
with is is uh Linda's honesty at any

482
00:21:30,529 --> 00:21:28,980
rate so do you and she had two witnesses

483
00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:30,539
with her which always helps do you think

484
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:32,940
it's possible though that what appeared

485
00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:34,380
to her was

486
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:36,539
an entity a being rather than her

487
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:37,740
imagining it

488
00:21:43,549 --> 00:21:41,460
I think it is it is possible yes

489
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:43,559
certainly there have been some very

490
00:21:48,130 --> 00:21:45,419
strange encounters like this where

491
00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:48,140
people have reported seeing aliens

492
00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:50,760
extraterrestrials if you like

493
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:53,460
so this is entirely consistent with such

494
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:54,600
reports

495
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:56,280
Hillary do you have any questions here

496
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,200
for Linda well one thing does occur to

497
00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:01,200
me was this a one-off event in your life

498
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:03,000
had you had anything before or

499
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,340
subsequently I had no nothing at all

500
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:06,960
before it

501
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:08,700
and nothing afterwards either and this

502
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:10,020
was just something that happened once

503
00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:11,460
again

504
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:14,600
that happened for the first time in 1979

505
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:19,380
there have been as occasions and

506
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,260
not as dramatic as that event and not as

507
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,240
bizarre did you felt that you were

508
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,640
meeting the same entities oh I didn't

509
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:28,980
meet the same entities no but what were

510
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:31,140
these other strange happenings yeah the

511
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,260
strange happenings uh well I used to

512
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:37,440
when I was working I had a badge made

513
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,700
out of you know rather like these

514
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:40,740
Supermarket girls have was made out of

515
00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:42,059
dymo tape

516
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,059
and where the name was punched in I came

517
00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:47,220
home one day took my coat off my husband

518
00:22:51,649 --> 00:22:49,799
said where's your name off your badge I

519
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:51,659
said I don't know on three other

520
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:55,020
occasions the name actually disappeared

521
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:57,179
in front of other people in front of

522
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,679
other people while they were looking at

523
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,020
me and the badge was red hot it actually

524
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,320
melted in front of people's very eyes it

525
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,020
disappeared yes yes

526
00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:09,120
Henry what do you think was was going on

527
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,299
either in that or in the case where she

528
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:14,640
met or believed she met someone or

529
00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:16,860
something yes well obviously I couldn't

530
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,600
possibly give you

531
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,700
um a personal

532
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:22,559
account of what was going on without

533
00:23:26,690 --> 00:23:24,840
asking very many more questions and that

534
00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:26,700
I can only speak in very general terms

535
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:28,919
but one thing I would like to say first

536
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:32,220
of all is that uh I don't doubt for one

537
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:36,059
moment the sincerity of the witness nor

538
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:37,620
do I question that something very

539
00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:40,440
important happened but what I do think

540
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:42,659
we should all consider

541
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:45,720
is a possibility that something else was

542
00:23:51,049 --> 00:23:47,100
happening than what appeared to be

543
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,059
happening so you'd say then that she

544
00:23:55,549 --> 00:23:53,700
didn't or couldn't have met alien beings

545
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:55,559
I think it very unlikely I think the

546
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,539
probabilities are all against it I think

547
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:59,460
there's a better alternative explanation

548
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:01,740
yet well I'll I'll drag that out of you

549
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,020
later if I can but but Tim I'm intrigued

550
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:06,600
what convinces you of the possibility

551
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:09,539
that there are alien beings out there

552
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:11,460
well there have now been

553
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:14,280
probably millions of reports

554
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,140
and what convinces me particularly is

555
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,700
the fact that thousands of them have

556
00:24:21,649 --> 00:24:19,980
been made by highly qualified observers

557
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,659
whose jobs

558
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,700
it is to knowing you know what's in the

559
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,400
sky like airline pilots military Pilots

560
00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:28,320
and so forth and they have now been

561
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:30,120
according to Dr Richard Haynes of of

562
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,400
NASA over 3 000 reports of UFO sightings

563
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:37,200
made by military and airline pilots and

564
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,820
I've interviewed a good many pilots and

565
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:40,440
I'm convinced that they're telling the

566
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,039
truth and many of them risk not just

567
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,440
their reputations but also their jobs

568
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:48,480
sometimes in reporting these what sort

569
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:50,100
of things are they coming up with just

570
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,400
sightings or abductions or what well to

571
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,260
give you an example

572
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,600
a few months ago I interviewed an

573
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,820
American a former bomber pilot United

574
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:02,159
States Air Force

575
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,960
who in 1955 actually chased a UFO at

576
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:09,299
almost ground level he flew down to 200

577
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:11,640
feet his entire cruise saw the object it

578
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,760
was saucer-shaped it was large and there

579
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:16,740
was a shadow beneath it and they chased

580
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:20,220
it for miles across across Alabama

581
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,980
and there was a strange Vortex from each

582
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,440
uh end of of The Craft

583
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:27,480
clearly visible throwing up dust from

584
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:30,179
the soil beneath so if there are all

585
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:33,179
these reports of alien spaceships why

586
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,159
didn't the public hear about them more

587
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,440
often why don't we know about it well we

588
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,539
do I think I think

589
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:41,039
after all there have now been many many

590
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,700
books on the subject and the newspapers

591
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:45,960
occasionally cover the subject

592
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:47,820
unfortunately

593
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,299
too often left to the tabloids to deal

594
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,520
with the subject so you're convinced

595
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:56,100
people have actually seen UFOs how about

596
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,140
alien beings

597
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:00,960
there have been I would say hundreds of

598
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,659
reports of encounters

599
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:06,480
and we have hundreds of reports similar

600
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,279
to Linda's where people claim to have

601
00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:10,080
had some sort of extraordinary

602
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,000
experience

603
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:14,039
actually herself is not claiming but

604
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,659
this is because this is what's come out

605
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,120
under hypnotic regression that's very

606
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:20,640
true but it would appear as if people

607
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:22,679
have actually had some extraordinary

608
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,179
experiences but have they ever been been

609
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,159
captured for example are bodies of

610
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,600
aliens some in some Morgan many

611
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,400
witnesses have come forward saying that

612
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,799
they've actually seen UFOs which have

613
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,299
been recovered by the United States

614
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,640
government for example at a number of

615
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:40,860
bases the most recent

616
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,000
witness is a physicist who was formerly

617
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,760
employed at a top secret Air Force base

618
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:49,740
in the United States who claims that he

619
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,480
was actually working on some of these

620
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,279
recovered craft

621
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:55,980
and and there are bodies as well or

622
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:58,880
apparently yes there have been many uh

623
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,140
descriptions of

624
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,840
alien bodies stored at a number of bases

625
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,580
throughout the states so in America

626
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:07,260
anywhere else

627
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,179
oh there have been stories from other

628
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,279
countries as well but the best

629
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,720
documented ones come from the United

630
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:14,520
States and we have people like Dr Robert

631
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:17,340
sarbacher who worked for the United

632
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,840
States government's research and

633
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,460
development board

634
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:23,279
who in 1983 confirmed that the United

635
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:25,020
States authorities had actually

636
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:27,960
retrieved alien some artifacts as well

637
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:30,120
as bodies where do you think they come

638
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,740
from then if

639
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,080
I've been studying this subject for now

640
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:36,000
well over 30 years and I haven't the

641
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,039
faintest idea I'm sorry I haven't a

642
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,380
faintest idea where they come from I am

643
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:42,059
satisfied however

644
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,720
that there's more than one type of UFO

645
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:48,000
moreover that there are different

646
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,380
categories

647
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:51,360
of phenomena

648
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,400
so we're not just dealing with something

649
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,620
simplistic like Little Green Men coming

650
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,299
from another planet in a nuts and bolts

651
00:28:02,029 --> 00:27:59,940
spacecraft some of them could well be in

652
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,039
fact I'm convinced that some of them are

653
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,740
perfectly solid others behave in a

654
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,480
manner which suggests

655
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:08,340
that either they come from another

656
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:11,159
dimensional together which occasionally

657
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:14,279
interacts with our own or that they are

658
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:16,140
perfectly solid but are able to

659
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,100
manipulate time space matter and

660
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:22,200
people's minds so why are they coming

661
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:23,940
then what do they want with us on this

662
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:25,860
planet I haven't a faintest idea again

663
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:29,960
I'm sorry but I mean one Theory

664
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:33,480
is that if these abductions are true

665
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:35,820
there is a genetic interest

666
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,400
because many people have reported probes

667
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,279
that over have been taken even sperm on

668
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:42,960
occasions I know this is outrageous

669
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,539
stuff but that is the fact of the matter

670
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:48,179
that people have reported that that is

671
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:50,100
what has happened so you think they

672
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:52,020
could actually be breeding

673
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,840
for some purpose human being Bud Hopkins

674
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:56,460
who's an American researcher has done a

675
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,640
great deal of research in this area

676
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:01,919
feels that there's a possibility that

677
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,679
the aliens are creating a hybrid

678
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:06,419
that's his theory I don't know if it's

679
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,940
true Hillary now what would you make of

680
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:11,100
all that there's evidence it's convinced

681
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,820
him

682
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,860
well no it's not really evidence that

683
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:16,200
Tim has offered us he's offered us

684
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:18,299
testimony he's offered us what people

685
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,940
have said they saw and what they've said

686
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:22,620
they've seen there's virtually no

687
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,600
tangible evidence that we can actually

688
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,159
point to unfortunately there are

689
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,679
thousands of testimonies yes thousands

690
00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:31,200
of testimonies but so long as we have to

691
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:34,520
rely on what Witnesses say they saw or

692
00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:36,659
experienced there's always going to be

693
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,279
an element of Doubt so what could they

694
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:41,399
be when that pilot was chasing an object

695
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:42,899
across this oh I don't doubt that that

696
00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:45,419
there are objects in the sky which are

697
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:48,179
not identified but when we have an

698
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:50,460
opportunity to examine them they usually

699
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,340
turn out to be capable of some kind of

700
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,679
natural explanation we've had a very

701
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:57,600
good example this very summer

702
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:00,779
sorry last summer in which we had the

703
00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:03,419
cornfields the circles in the cornfields

704
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,380
when the

705
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:08,820
apparent uh

706
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,299
mystery is I think capable of a

707
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,640
Perfectly Natural explanation and it

708
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:16,559
does seem as if the very Force which

709
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:19,500
creates these circles is also capable of

710
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,860
creating a luminous plasma up in the sky

711
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,380
which could easily be mistaken for a

712
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,539
youth how do you work that out then that

713
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,340
there is a natural force you're saying

714
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,399
which like a wind can create these

715
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:35,399
perfect circles and yet creates a plasma

716
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,880
yes the very same Force also generates a

717
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:40,559
plasma you'll add that the physics of it

718
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,419
is far too complicated for me to even

719
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:44,399
understand let alone try to tell you

720
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:45,899
about but

721
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:47,640
um the you know the meteorologists are

722
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:49,559
working on it they've got good solid

723
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:51,960
scientific hypotheses for it and it

724
00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:54,840
would seem as if they are generated in

725
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,299
these circumstances

726
00:31:01,870 --> 00:30:59,760
objects genuine unidentified flying

727
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,880
objects which are capable of being

728
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:04,799
mistaken for UFOs Tim can you accept

729
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,740
that that is an explanation for objects

730
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,120
out there

731
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,039
all together known and going back to to

732
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,380
the mystery circles it's peculiar if

733
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:14,640
this is uh

734
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:16,740
a meteorological phenomenon that it

735
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,799
restricts itself mostly to Wessex

736
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,659
because most of the circles in Great

737
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:23,279
Britain have been reported in Hampshire

738
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:25,620
and Wiltshire and I've yet to see a

739
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,260
satisfactory

740
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:30,240
meteorological explanation for that so

741
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:32,039
Henry what's special about Wessex well

742
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,720
no I mean there's a great deal we don't

743
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,520
understand about this this particular

744
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,740
thing the research is only at its early

745
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:40,380
stages we know there's a mystery but we

746
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,080
also know that there are good grounds

747
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:44,399
for believing that there is a natural

748
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:46,860
explanation and that's really as far as

749
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:48,539
we ought to take it at this stage I mean

750
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:50,580
let us accept that there is a

751
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,760
possibility of an alternative and if we

752
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:55,559
may get back to Linda's case I would

753
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,659
like to say Dev again I think there is

754
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,940
an alternative and what is that in the

755
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,220
the alternative in my belief is a

756
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:04,080
psychological one now this is not meant

757
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,179
to be in any way an attack on Linda's

758
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:08,340
sincerity or Integrity I believe that

759
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:09,960
she had something very important happen

760
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:12,179
to her but I believe that it could be

761
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:13,799
interpreted as a psychological

762
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:16,679
experience which took place inside her

763
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:19,559
and which he projected outside

764
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:20,940
Linda do you think that's possible

765
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:23,520
because your daughter seemed to

766
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,260
experience the same thing no you just

767
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:27,360
can't generalize with every UFO witness

768
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,659
like that it isn't possible what I had

769
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,539
was a physical sighting there was three

770
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,960
of us nuts and bolts sighting I know

771
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:38,820
things have happened after the fact

772
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:42,480
after the fighting but I did not have

773
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,720
any problems at that particular time no

774
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:48,600
problems at all but everyone has

775
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,140
problems they don't have to see a UFO to

776
00:32:56,889 --> 00:32:54,360
have problems so there is no

777
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,899
psychological disturbance I have had

778
00:33:03,649 --> 00:32:59,760
doctors psychiatrists before they have

779
00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:03,659
done any experiments on me at all they

780
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:06,419
have had to make sure that I have been a

781
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:08,760
hundred percent sane and is that what

782
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,960
you're suggesting though that you have

783
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:11,279
to have a problem to have this

784
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:13,019
experience necessarily a problem it

785
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,740
could be some situation which needs to

786
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,779
be worked out it could be for instance I

787
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:20,220
mean it's one of the interest things

788
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:21,779
that so many of these experiences happen

789
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,440
to teenagers who are always very

790
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,320
vulnerable people and I think that many

791
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,799
cases can be explained in the search by

792
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:34,559
a teenager for someone she can relate to

793
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:38,519
I met a girl in France for instance who

794
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:42,659
had met as she told me the Virgin Mary

795
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:46,860
on 30 or 40 occasions I met a girl in

796
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:48,659
dagenham who claimed to have met an

797
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,220
extraterrestrial person who came up to

798
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,039
her bedroom in both these cases I think

799
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:54,960
it most likely that what was happening

800
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,000
was that these people needed somebody

801
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,460
that they could confide in and they as

802
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,220
it were created this

803
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:05,519
helpful kindly being to help guide them

804
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:07,320
through their their situation so it's

805
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,080
imagination people are creating images

806
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,599
beings yes for some reason Tim can you

807
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,760
go along with that up to a point yes of

808
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:16,679
course but I think it's worth mentioning

809
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:19,320
that Dr Elizabeth Slater an American

810
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,139
psychologist conducted psychological

811
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:25,320
tests on nine abductees people claiming

812
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:27,060
to have been abducted

813
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,580
and she found them extremely intelligent

814
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,679
and she was absolutely convinced since

815
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,720
she did the test without knowing that

816
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:36,179
they had made these claims

817
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:38,520
and she was convinced and concluded that

818
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,619
those people whatever they had

819
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:42,720
experienced it wasn't psychological in

820
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,040
origin

821
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,899
how do you respond to that I don't

822
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,179
accept it at all I think that many

823
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,159
American psychologists are judged by

824
00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:52,800
their writings show a very limited

825
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:54,599
knowledge of what can happen to human

826
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:57,839
beings they don't take into account the

827
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,060
manifold varieties of alternate States

828
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:03,060
Of Consciousness in which people and all

829
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:05,220
kinds of circumstances for instance

830
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,080
driving alone at night is one of the

831
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,320
classic ones when you're in on a dark

832
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:12,900
road with no sensory stimuli to sort of

833
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:15,660
keep you alert you start to imagine

834
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:19,859
things now this is not a kind of

835
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:23,339
purely a fantasy it is a very positive

836
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:25,560
creation it is something that is being

837
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:28,140
worked at by your subconscious mind

838
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:30,900
Tim if if there are aliens then are they

839
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:34,500
dangerous should we be worried by them

840
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,940
so I have a feeling that some of them

841
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:38,400
could present a threat

842
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,700
what sort of takeover or what well I

843
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,859
wouldn't go so far as that but certainly

844
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:45,780
there's evidence that a lot of people

845
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,200
have been affected by their encounters

846
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:51,119
affected psychologically

847
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:53,480
affected physically

848
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,460
there's some really quite alarming

849
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,440
stories of people being affected at a

850
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:00,960
distance and have there been cases of

851
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,480
mutilations attacking humans or animals

852
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:04,800
or anything like that

853
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,740
well now that you mentioned it uh there

854
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,960
have been now thousands of cases in the

855
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:12,660
United States where cattle have been

856
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:16,140
mutilated in bizarre circumstances blood

857
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:19,320
is evacuated from the body and in most

858
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,060
cases there's not a trace of blood

859
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:23,940
around the animal that are surgically

860
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,359
precise incisions vital organs have been

861
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:28,560
taken

862
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,579
and farmers are mystified there is no

863
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:34,800
there may be an alternative explanation

864
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:37,079
but we haven't found it yet certainly

865
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:40,260
UFOs have been seen in proximity to

866
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,320
these briefly should we be worried

867
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:46,260
if we see or think we see aliens so

868
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:48,119
anything to be worried about no I don't

869
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,500
think so no

870
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,140
even for our own State of Mind no I

871
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,520
don't even think that I think these are

872
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,380
very positive experiences I think we

873
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,880
should be grateful for them and try to

874
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:58,560
understand them

875
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,079
briefly Linda do you are you still